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A post-politics discussion between organizer/campaigner, Jay Carmona, and simulator, Tom Barbalet.

18. Weddings and Menthol Memories [February 28, 2018]

  Jay wants to know why she is getting no email from this particular podcast. Tom has hired a publicist to do the impossible. Tom wants to understand more about Jay's wedding experiences. How difficult has it been for Jay to find a wedding location? Marriage is a civil rights issue. They digress into Lyft drivers who have become friends. Tom offers a love edition of how is this inappropriate? With some discussion of Vietnam era war rations and Tom's origin story. [ MP3 | link ]

17. Moving Up A Nerdic Notch [January 31, 2018]

  Tom and Jay are recruiting a new artist. Tom proposes a new religion through cognitive virtual farming. The responsibility of passing on miniatures and fantasy roleplaying items to a new generation is a serious responsibility. Jay has one of the most difficult roles. Tom wants to know more about Jay's long-running DnD characters. This requires a deeper understanding of gender-play, chatrooms in the 1990s and, of course, infidelity in DnD players. Tom wants to know about Jay's fandom for ElfQuest and it goes deep. Tom loves commune comics. The wolf rider archetype and the protection of dogs needs to be explored. You can't talk fantasy imagination without talking about weapons. Tom raises renaissance fairs. Orcs are very important to Tom and he has to share this love of green skins with Jay and the listening audience. Tom pauses for a minute to discuss miniature painting and the orc in space (also known as space orks). [ MP3 | link ]

16. Curb Your Disbelief [January 23, 2018]

  Jay and Tom have decided to switch up the format a little for season two. No more discussion of politics. Jay starts the podcast with a tribute to Ursula Le Guin. Jay wants to talk about visualization of what is going on inside her head. Tom has some experiences of this through his work with Noble Ape and prior simulations. From civilization, Jay digresses into social networks. Tom briefly debunks the Tide Pod Challenge. They dive deep into Unsolved Mysteries. [Errol Morris' The Thin Blue Line is one of the documentaries Tom was trying to remember.] Tom has been exploring something else. Past lives is a topic worth discussing. [ MP3 | link ]

15: Continuum of Britneys Killing the Family Pet [November 27, 2017]

  Tom recommends road trips to the listeners. Is this appropriate? Model rail edition. They discuss institutional racism and how it continues to exist. What is the future of political parties? Community run internet access is a good example for failings. The corgi community concludes the discussion. [ MP3 | link ]

14: How Is This Inappropriate? [October 17, 2017]

  Tom bring ups the festive fecal geyser season in the context of natural disasters. They discuss Las Vegas in the context of domestic abuse. They explore me too. Tom wants to float a new segment about whether or not things are appropriate - Jay needs to be the arbiter between society and our listeners. The first one leaves Jay grasping for reasons to continue the podcast. The second one presents slightly more turpitude. They conclude talking about road trips. Things digress very rapidly. [ MP3 | link ]

13: Corgis Against Twitter [August 29, 2017]

  Jay needs to record a podcast following her demonstration in Berkeley and Tom contrasts this with the film, All the President's Men. How about the polar bear costumes? What has Jay learned from this experience? Why are people still using Twitter? Tom questions why he should pay to read misinformation about Jay. Jay needs to talk a little bit more about Twitter. Tom moves to California's impact on the US. What is the connection between organizing and software? Jay has a final piece of trivia about Watergate which Tom turns very quickly into vile smut. [ MP3 | link ]

12: the Royal Pooch and a Zombie Pete Seeger [August 22, 2017]

  Tom and Jay took a scheduled summer break. That's their story and they are sticking to it. Jay wants to talk about complacency. Tom wants a greater focus on the perception of the desecration of sacred sites and also to acknowledge the scholarship of the Southern Poverty Law Center on this matter. [Jay meant to say the Lost Cause of the Confederacy rather than Southern Strategy.] What are some of the problems with the weekend protest movement and how does this differ from organized labor protests previously? Is Reddit inherently racist? How about that War in Afghanistan? Tom wants new and empowering music. Jay is the new embodiment of Elizabeth Windsor. [ MP3 | link ]

11: Grandma Funds Terrorism [June 14, 2017]

  Always order extra real because it will be taken from your plate. Connor wants the crew to discuss podcasts as a political and quizzical form. Tom talks about podcasting the religion of human narrative. Jay recommends Welcome to Night Vale. Tom talks about collecting and restoring 18th century pipes and beware the podcasts about that particular topic. Marty wants the crew to discuss not Russia but the foreign policy paradox that is Saudi Arabia. Somehow they slip into the ease of movement in the US. [ MP3 | link ]

10: Gaynor Died When Hoover Was Twenty [May 22, 2017]

  Tom lays down the science behind acquiring This Comes Next t-shirts. Jay is pumped up about impeachment currently. Tom talks a little about Bill Clinton's impeachment. They disagree about whether we currently live in chaos. Jay argues that impeachment is a more interesting narrative. Tom asks for some articles of impeachment. They discuss the curious nature of the Head of the FBI and Trump's revelations to Russia which mysteriously Tom already knew about in 2007 because he could read PDFs. Jay notes that impeachment would not be possible with the current political climate. They discuss what needs to happen to change the political climate. Jay proposes one approach and Tom proposes another approach [Tom is talking about the unseating of Eric Cantor in Virginia not the made up politician name that he runs with through the discussion.] Tom wants to know about marriage equality but unfortunately it is just too hot for podcasting. [ MP3 | link ]

9: A Quiver-full of Fascists [May 2, 2017]

  Tom has some advice for industrial wedding invite photos. They cover listener emails and there is always time for t-shirts. Jay is worried about the rise of fascist networks. Tom isn't sure what a fascist is anymore. They explore the tyranny of leaderless-ness. Social capital is discussed in the context of career. Tom digresses into a lost friend. Jay returns to fascist networks. Tom confesses to being a Vichy collector but refuses to talk about Franco. Listener Connor Sites-Bowen asks about personal energy. Listener Sam Shave asks about online privacy: a topic where Jay and Tom seem to disagree until the end. [ MP3 | link ]

8: Hands Around the White House [April 19, 2017]

  Tom has been sending t-shirts to listeners who are part of the Facebook group or provide an iTunes review. Scotland may be completely wind powered now - we may need a Scottish listener to confirm this. Where can you find magic? Jay finds it in organizing and Tom finds magic in this very podcast. How do third parties get off the ground? They digress into military spending and ISIS as a non-threat. Jay provides a primer on the power of the states in the US electoral process. Jay talks about an action where she was able to get a crowd to join hands around the White House. [ MP3 | link ]

7: Reclaiming the Seeds of Disbelief [April 1, 2017]

  [Warning: This podcast contains frank discussions associated with stalking, physical and sexual abuse.] Tom starts with a listener question about the City of San Jose. Jay raised an an article about a failure in the justice system to deal with stalkers. Tom provides three examples of stalking with a curious fourth example. Jay raises the gender correlation of stalking and explores the correlation between intelligence and mental illness too. They discuss defunding the war machine and provide a short background to what the war machine is in a material sense. Tom raises the means of discussing the war machine with people of all political persuasions and how the current narrative has impacted that discussion. Tom concludes the recording on a lighter note. [ MP3 | link ]

6: Crying of the Man-Child [March 11, 2017]

  Tom will not be singing any 1990s classics in the foreseeable future but he does understand about San Jose street gangs and electronic geofencing. Jay breaks down the failed WoD. They explore the Presidential discovery that warrantless wiretaps are omnipresent in modern day America. Jay wonders why violence against trash cans is an issue. Jay talks about her recent acquisition of a PS4. They dive into the somewhat esoteric world of Dungeons and Dragons Games Mastering. Tom recounts his wife beating Sim City in six days. They explore Jay's recent addiction to Age of Empires and whether you can beat the US Federal Income Tax system like a game. Tom breaks down how his fictionalized self would create what was referenced in his version of the King Missile classic. [ MP3 | link ]

5: Weaponized Terrorist Quakers [March 1, 2017]

  Tom kicks off the discussion with a listener question about the overwhelming nature of contemporary newsyish media. They delve into ye olde topics like facts, journalism and how we probably need better methods to explain the modern setting. Tom raises the citizen journalist as the last hope of journalism in any romantic context. Jay used to like Jeremy Scahill. Tom briefly confuses insomnia with amnesia. Jay raises the idea or science as magic. Tom discussions the British news media in contrast to the US news media with particular attention to David Frost, Lord Hutton, the UK population's understanding of the Iraq War and the BBC as a pedophile clearing house (see Operation Yewtree). Jay gives a practical example of her use of the news media. Tom references the Intelligence Unclassified podcast to point out that all Jay's jive talk won't sway good Americans. Jay talks about her anti-war un-American behavior. Tom has found his burden of responsibility with regards to slavery. They discuss whether the podcast needs a musical outro. [ MP3 | link ]

4: Monday Night Musings [February 13, 2017]

  Jay wants to talk about prisons and Tom wonders what comes after failed drug policies. They delve into true crime televisions including some classics. Tom starts the discussion about Jay's time in Turkey with a brief discussion on cats. Jay explores her experience eating dinner to being part of an evolving demonstration against tear gas and pepper-spay laced water cannons. Jay has been protesting a little closer to home. Tom returns to some fundamentals of the podcast. [ MP3 | link ]

3: Ashkenazi Privilege, Polynesians and Psychometrics [February 4, 2017]

  Jay had a Saturday morning. Tom shouts out the Green Line podcast as something worth listening to for a particular perspective. Sadly all the race-war podcasts Tom used to listen to are no longer available but he does advocate reading the Turner Diaries as a means of understanding John McCain amongst others. [Dr. Umar Johnson was the origin of Tom reading the Turner Diaries.] They discuss the curious case of the urban zombies. They discuss the lack of romance of humans at any time but those Polynesians were different. Jay talks about her new job. They dive boots-and-all into psychometrics. Tom recommends two of his prior podcasts: Stone Ape, for linguistics and narrative analysis and, Biota, for simulation analysis. Jay has concerns with psychometrics and Tom advocates for embracing those concerns but utilizing the data. They take feedback from a scientist. Tom raises the idea of fighting the body and the mind. [ MP3 | link ]

2: Jay Carmona Goes To Washington [January 29, 2017]

  They start by taking about Jay's recent visit to Washington DC to disrupt the inauguration and to participate in the Women's March. Tom provides a footnote to open source activism and talks about what he would like to see in terms of the strength of discourse. Jay raises the size of crowds and Tom talks about some of the science behind this. Sean Spicer is impossible to ignore. Tom puts his experience in San Jose up for analysis. Jay provides a great insight on her time in DC with an example of strategic use of privilege. Under Jay's instigation they return to Assange and the Russians. Tom gives some analysis on Grizzly Steppe. [Note: Unfortunately there were various technical difficulties which cut a small portion of the recording.] Tom concludes the recording with a reflection on the inevitability of war. [ MP3 | link ]

1: Re-A-Member-Ing [January 14, 2017]

  Tom announces the name of the podcast, This Comes Next. Jay wants to talk about artificial intelligence. Tom digresses into a discussion about termites and Iranian terminators. Tom wants to talk about wargaming so asks Jay about her experiences. They discuss the paradox associated with a political perspective and existing in a hyper-capitalist society. They explore the health of the mind. Tom asks Jay about how she divides religion and the mind. Tom starts the discussion on Obamacare. Why is activist a loaded term for Jay? In contrast, Tom prefers raised-by-wolves. Jay wants to understand the humor that enable Tom to survive through corporate hierarchies. They discussion Election Night 2016. Tom kicks off the analysis on Assange and a brief discussion of the Russians - to be continued. [ MP3 | link ]

0: Somewhere Between Cub Scouts and Ninjas [January 7, 2017]

  Jay Carmona and Tom Barbalet start a pilot discussion. Tom talks about meeting a person recently in a book he wrote more than twenty years ago. Jay talks about her experiences living in an isolated environmentally-centric community. They explore Jay decision to go to university as a means of understanding her childhood environment. Tom talks about car culture and asks about Jay's involvement with 350.org in this context. They discuss simulation and militant atheists as an impact on the carbon climate analysis. Tom takes a little wander through simulation science and turns the discussion to Unitarianism and Quakers in the context of social change. They discuss the nature of rituals in crossing religious boundaries. Tom has to explain Model Rail Radio. [Editor's Note: Unfortunately there is a Skype issue with longer recordings which impacted the end of this recording.] [ MP3 | link ]

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